Cal 2001-07-17 07:24
So I see that version 2 of Ultramon is supposed to be able to get ICQ into its place.
I hit my hotkey to move it to the second monitor and if I do not hold, it snaps right back onto the primary! If it does stick, as soon as I click ANYTHING, it snaps back to primary. I kinda wanted my second monitor to hold all my instant messengers and this doesn't seem to be working too well :(
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Christian Studer 2001-07-17 09:05
I tried several different workarounds, but couldn't get anything better than what is available now.
The only real solution will be for ICQ to fix the problem in a future release.
Christian Studer
www.realtimesoft.com
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@hlon 2001-07-18 10:05
I was using Beta 3 on a friends comp the other day (and i must say, nice util...itll be going on my machine as well soon :P ) and it was able to keep ICQ on the 2nd monitor...assigned keys to move to next monitor...it stayed put perfectly happily assuming you did not touch the title bar, meaning you cant move it or it snaps back.....so you just have to position it roughly where you want it on the screen whilst still on the first monitor and then 'throw' it onto the 2nd monitor and just stay away from the title bar :)
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Cal 2001-07-18 11:23
I did that with Beta 4. As soon as I touch ANYTHING it snaps back. Not just clicking on ICQ..
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AFireInside 2001-07-28 16:12
I couldn't help noticing that you said "hold all instant messengers". How many different services are you using? If you use a few, you may want to check out a program called Trillian. It can connect to every major IM service around (AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, and IRC). And its even skinnable. It puts all your accounts into one main contact window, where you can add your friends, even if they use different services, which is very useful if you have friends who are on AIM, and others who are on ICQ. Once you use it for the first time, it saves all the IM window locations so that they open up wherever they were last closed. Its really worth a look. http://www.trillian.cc/
Oh, and by the way, if you decide to use this program, be sure to uncheck the docking option in the preferences, or else it will just dock to the side of your primary monitor.
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@hlon 2001-08-02 01:05
Yup, i just put Beta 4 on my rig and when i tried it, touching anything at all caused ICQ to snap back...damnit....hope hes got Beta 3 files still :)
As for Trillian, yeah i been usin that a while too, i use all the various messengers at some point (friends in residence at uni are subject to limitations, so no ICQ for them in term time...), but for now ICQ is what i use, and Trillian just isnt quite as good as ICQ itself for me, so i use both trillian and ICQ..in order to make ICQ seem nicer though, i just skinned it too...hmmm, Denise Richards...hehehe :P
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@hlon 2001-08-02 01:07
Incidentally, im on RC1 of WInXP, and the options in the new wallpaper setup bit (eg for different wallpapers on each monitor) are greyed out, its effectively useles for me.. :(
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Christian Studer 2001-08-02 01:41
Wallpapers should work fine on XP, you just need to create a new wallpaper first. See this thread for details.
What version of ICQ are you using? I have 2000b (Build 3281) on my Win2000 system, moving it with UltraMon Beta 4 works fine, and it stays on the second monitor.
Christian Studer
www.realtimesoft.com
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@hlon 2001-08-02 03:24
Hi, im using ICQ 2000b Build 3278...but as i mentioned before, i have added a skinning program to change the look of ICQ, and i did not try it beforehand, so ill have a shot later without the skin to see if that helps....i can also get access to ICQ2001a, maybe ill slap it onto my completely unused Win98 Dual boot and see how it fairs...never known, maybe they pulled their finger out and fixed their program at last ? NAH, i dont expect em to hav either... :)
On the desktop note -THANK YOU, I AM SO STUPID, never even noticed the button, hehe...maybe you could move that to the top in the next rev? < trys to cover up for his own shortcomings > :P
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@hlon 2001-08-02 03:28
Thought of another constructive suggestion...perhaps have the ultramon wallpaper setup section layed out similarly to the native windows version, in that you get a list of the images already available (in XP it lists all images in the appropriate windows dir, along with the IE wallpaper and all picture files in My Pictures) and see a preview of the picture(s) you select ?
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@hlon 2001-08-02 03:53
Finally...any way (or chance of it being set up so in future rev...) to make it so that Ultramon doesnt overide the default Icon backgrounds ? Be cause XP now makes them transparent with a dropshadow to bring out the text no matter what colour of text/background image there is...and i much prefer it to a coloured Icon backing.
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@hlon 2001-08-02 04:39
Hmm, ive figured a temporary solution, ice stretched an image to themax height and widtch my desktop area goes to (got a 19" and 17", 128x1024 + 1024x768) and i can just tile that, meaning it looks exactly the same as ultramon would make it, but i get to keep the transparent icons...if i want 2 seperate images thjough, i gotta use ultramon and since theres no option to specifially select tranparent (the actual windows option for desktop colour has always been a blue, but its simply ignored usually....except when you use an ultramon wallpaper because it also requires you specify an icon colour...
I'll shut up now and check back tomorrow for a reply...:)
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Christian Studer 2001-08-02 04:48
The UltraMon Desktop interface will be changed in the next release, lots of people had problems with it.
Regarding transparent icons: I don't think this will work. I did some testing on XP RC2 and noticed that transparent icons only work if you have an image as the background. As soon as you add a desktop item, or change to a HTML background, icon transparency is disabled. But multi-monitor wallpapers are only possible using HTML, unfortunately.
Christian Studer
www.realtimesoft.com
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Christian Studer 2001-08-02 05:01
Tiling is the solution, wasn't aware that this could be used for spanned multi-monitor wallpapers. UltraMon will simply create a single large image instead of a HTML wallpaper. This way, transparency will work fine.
I hope to have this ready in time for Beta 5.
Christian Studer
www.realtimesoft.com
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@hlon 2001-08-05 05:54
What dya know, i actually contributed to an idea, hehe :)
Now, i was wondering, when you say youll implement a way in ultramon whereby it will just make a large image for the tile, will it still be possible to do this based on 2 images or will that still have to reside in the realm of HTML ?
I ask because because of another issue...because i run different sized monitors at different resolutions, when i tile a single image i obviously lose sight of the bottom part of the image when its tiled across the smaller monitor. Now, this can be rectified by manually resizing the content on that side of the image so that the lower part of the tile is essentially blank (eg, exactly like what happens when taking a screenshot of a multimonitor desktop at different resolutions)but that would increase the disparity in the physical size of the image on the screen (things are physically slightly smaller on a 19 than a 17, because of a greater increase in res against actual screen area) so i dont thinks theres much point in that...where it would matter though is if i wanted 2 different images, id simply compose them both onto one big canvs, each picture sized appropriateky for the montor it displays on....
so what im asking is if ultramon were able to compose a new image based on 2 source images, would it be able to resize part of the content on the image (make it like 2 pictures of different height/width on a single canvas sort of thing..) in order to allow for this scenario, thereby letting all of the image on the tile to be seen...
phew, thats a long one and some of it dont make much sense, sorry about that :P
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Christian Studer 2001-08-05 06:28
The idea is to have exactly the same features as now, just implemented differently. I will have to do further testing to see if that's possible, but so far it looks good.
Christian Studer
www.realtimesoft.com
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@hlon 2001-08-05 07:43
Great to hear, hope all goes well with the development and i look forward to using it :)
Ive changed my opinion on resizing individual parts of the image to compensate for differing monitor size and reolution, just tried it on a new Millenium Falcon wallpaper and it makes a big difference to the actual outcome...
my 19" screen is physically 28% (hehe, dont worry, i worked it out using pythagoras, didnt measure it...yet :P ) larger than the 17", but sports a 55% (1280x960) or 67% (1280x1024) higher pixel area...quite a disparity, so i resized the entire image to slightly over 2560 #(i chose 2610) so as to keep the aspect close to the same (it started off as 2048 length but only 768 high, i needed 1024, so the aspec had to change a little because 1280x1024 isnt truly a 4:3 ratio, but making it slighly over 2560 helped to mask the change...), then resized everything beyond the first 1280 pixels section of the image (the first 1024 of this 1330pixel selection would have been showing on the secondary 17" had i not resized it) to 77% (physical size increase divided by pixel size increase 1.28/1.67 = 0.77) of its original size (it makes its about 790pixels high, so i still lose a tiny bit on that side of image, but it helps with the alignment i talk of late, so its all good :P ) and pasted it togethether with the left 1280 pixels width of the image. Upon tiling the resultant weird-looking image, i get greeted by a 19" and a 17" screen both displaying their respective part of the millenium falcon at exactly the same physical size....yeah, i know, sad...but i was bored :)
Now, there is a very slight horizontal misallignment, but since the bottom of the 17" tube sits fractionally higher, and the top is slightly lower because its a smaller tube, there is equal size disparity and so it goes pretty damn near unnoticed....ill let it go...for now... :)
Now i think ill go do something more healthy and play a little Max Payne :P
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@hlon 2001-08-05 08:23
Well, before i go, i like to perhaps clarify my previous post -what im saying is for there still to be an option whereby each image is stratched to the size of the idividual monitor its on....Widows XP Beta 2 did this properly, stretching the same image to the size of the monitor it was on...Win98 does not do this, it makes them both the same size as the main screen and cuts bits off....Widows XP RC1 (ive got RC2 but im not installing it with RTM so close :P )doesnt do it properly for me, it simply stretches the secondary displays image to the same size as the primary, then centres it..
however, this isnt neccessarilly a bad thing for me, because Beta 2 also had a performance issue whilst stratching an image - whilst in view of the primary desktop, if 'View window content while dragging' was enabled, dragging windows were reduced to a slideshow on the 19" if the desktop was also in view on that monitor...and also, selecting icons and 'show desktop' were a little sluggish too. Either way it dont matter now since ive discovered i can just tile a big composition across them both - titling always worked with no performance worries :)
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Christian Studer 2001-08-15 09:22
Update on the UltraMon Desktop update: the next version will use bitmaps instead of HTML wallpapers, which has several advantages:
- improved performance
- gradients no longer require Internet Explorer 5.5
- Active Desktop doesn't need to be enabled (Win2000 and XP only)
- support for transparent icons on Windows XP
Christian Studer
www.realtimesoft.com
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@hlon 2001-08-16 11:55
Sounding good...im truly looking forward to the taskbar setup though, in combination with hot keys for throwing windows about, its gonna make a killer feature :)
And on a side note, completed max payne several days ago - all too short and a bit easy unfortunately, though still a great game and really nice graphics.
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Sebastien 2001-09-14 03:08
I have icq 2000b build 3281 and when i use utlramon beta 5 and try to send a message with icq it crashes any idea?
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Christian Studer 2001-09-14 03:14
Try turning off the Smart Taskbar (in Options). Please let me know if that fixed the problem.
Christian Studer
www.realtimesoft.com
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Jay 2001-09-30 13:51
Hello I am using ICQ Ver 99b Beta v3.19
I have been using it for over 2 years now with no problems and now when I am off line and I get messages sent to me I read them they go into my history but then when I Disconnect ICQ and log back in at another time the same messages are there waiting for me again. I have a history now of the same messages like 20 times.
I have run the Data base convert a bunch of times and it does not go away. Please any Suggestions?
Thank you
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braindead 2002-01-28 18:01
i'm now using miranda (icq clone) again since it works with the newer protocol. no problems at all moving it to other monitors. note that miranda is opensource and has less features then the original icq... in my opinion the missing icq features are worthless tho, stuff like 'authorize required' and 'dont publish ip' is ignored by miranda... meaning that as a miranda user you don't need auth from others, get their ip,ping,port info no matter what their icq settings are.
http://miranda-icq.sourceforge.net/
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Daniel 2002-02-09 13:06
ICQ 2001b build 3659 doesn't work with ultramon UltraMon 2.0 Beta 6
Pentium II 266Mhz @ 300MHz
ATI Radeon LE AGP 32Mb DDR using Omega 1.2.53 Drivers
ATI Mach 64 PCI
ASUS P2L97 LX MB
192M PC100Mhz SDRAM
SB AWE 64 ISA
OptiSound 16-bit ISA
Macronix MX98715 NC
TEAC CD-W58E 8x8x24
Matshita CR-588 24x
Maxtor 20GB 7200 RPM
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Christian Studer 2002-02-09 23:26
Works fine here, tested on Windows XP. With the usual limitations:
- you can't move or resize the window manually after moving it with UltraMon, otherwise it will snap right back to the primary
You will need to use a hotkey to move ICQ, UltraMon doesn't add custom window buttons/menu entries.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Daniel 2002-02-10 16:29
Oops I forgot to mention that I was using WinME and not XP. The problem is that ICQ hangs when ultramon is started before ICQ loads. So I have to turn off Ultramon and then start ICQ. The hotkey function is okay to get ICQ on the second window but the right edge is cut off when it is in docked mode. Plus it keeps flying back to the first window if you touch anything.
Good work tho!
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Gerald Mahlmeister 2002-02-11 02:50
Running WinXP. The 2001b Versions of ICQ crash as I long as I use the smart Taskbar. By turning the taskbar off everything works right. But this is one of the most useful features of ultramon for me :-(
2000b and lower works fine with the usual limitations under XP.
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Christian Studer 2002-02-11 09:56
I have now been able to reproduce this on Windows Me, ICQ (latest version) doesn't start when the Smart Taskbar is running.
I'll look into this for Beta 7.
Gerald: are you using the latest version? I had no problems on my XP system with build 3659.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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